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EP 72Oct 5, 2026· 6 min

Hire the Second Version, Not the First

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Why the best interview signal is what a candidate does with your feedback

Nate rebuilt his interview loop so candidates present a case study twice — once as a coached dry run, once for the panel — and the score is the difference between the two. Ava pushes back on the risk of rewarding mimicry, and they land on a two-question scorecard.

What Nate and Ava discuss

  • Building a coached dry run into the loop and judging version two, not version one
  • Why the hiring manager should read CVs and run a 60–90 minute first conversation
  • Ava's pushback: does coaching reward mimicry over independent judgment?

The move

On your next opening, split the case study into two sittings — a coached dry run with one person, then the panel a week later. Score two things: what actually changed, and whether they made the change their own.


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Your hosts

Nate Hargrove

Nate Hargrove
The Seasoned Pragmatist

Ava Vasquez

Ava Vasquez
The Modern Builder

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