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EP 37Jul 13, 2026· 6 min

Leaders, Followers, and the Refusers

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Your team is splitting into AI speeds. Handing out logins won't fix it.

Every team splits into AI first-movers, followers, and refusers — and the gap widens daily. Why handing out logins isn't enablement.

What Nate and Ava discuss

  • Distribution vs. enablement — and why peer proof beats mandates
  • Letting innovation grow at the edges, then surfacing and spreading it
  • Fear vs. defiance — the two very different refuser conversations

The move

Stop handing out logins. Build a standing rhythm where people show each other real work — peer proof moves followers far better than any top-down mandate.


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Your hosts

Nate Hargrove

Nate Hargrove
The Seasoned Pragmatist

Ava Vasquez

Ava Vasquez
The Modern Builder

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